GW 1 1 Great British Railways Because for my money blue & grey is not the "same basic livery" as Swallow, neither is NSEs toothpaste anything like the red and cream worn in the 50s. JavaScript is disabled. The Union Jack will represent. But such an approach offers a bleak long-term outlook for the UK. In May 2022, the Government announced proposed legislation to modernise rail services and improve reliability for passengers. Or do you think TfL should change their look away from using the current font simply because it's been that way since the 1930s or whenever? As part of this work, the team engaged with industry through a formal call for evidence. People are understandably sceptical about the frequent rebranding . Maybe a "way out" arrow similar to Thameslink's station signage could make it more exciting, while also adding a bit more functionality? I'm not aware - what are TfW doing? Messages: 1,398. I wonder if we might actually see things like "Northern - by Great British Railways" rather than one single overarching branding. The iconic London and North Eastern Railway brand - better known as LNER - looks set to be withdrawn again. don't see an issue anywhere, as long as the concessions stay branded with whatever. [9][10] Several other Class 47 locomotives, some Class 31s, and even some DMU cabs, were subsequently also painted by Stratford with grey roofs, the variation becoming something of a trademark for the depot. Now there's a system others can look up to. But the point is that effort has gone into developing a brand and what it stands for, it isn't just harking back to the awful 1970s, a time people seem to be seeing with a large pair of rose tinted spectacles. [4] One locomotive, Class 47 No.D1733, was painted to match the coaching stock. Originally a trading brand of the Railway Executive of the British Transport . And the more I see RA2 and its symbols, the more clumsy it looks. Because it's not going to be the same as BR. Wholely agree. I think there would be huge advantages of a standard livery and branding across the Britain, in saving money and presenting a unified product to the customer. I don't see what's wrong with Rail Alphabet which is rather older than the 1980s - to be frank the branding shouts 60s, a period of branding I personally like but obviously that *is* personal - although you could just use Frutiger to keep the tie in with the other large national service, the NHS ( who used to use Rail Alphabet too ). This idea often seems to pop its head up. Theres no vote in Northern Ireland for him or his Conservative party so he doesnt care, hes hands off.. Bare minimum, low effort. Roofs were Dark Grey and underframes originally brown, but later black. 1948 -. The old Northern signs worked well, but only Metro/WYCA really got behind the co-branding opportunities, that I saw. OK, it's not a big change, but Germany tends to do rebrandings very infrequently. Non-corridor coaching stock and other multiple units received all-over Rail Blue until about 1980, when most received the same blue/grey livery as corridor coaching stock. The pleasure's all mine. And again, there may be scope to take back control of this. It will become a single familiar brand with a bold new vision for passengers - of punctual services, simpler tickets. British Railways (BR), which from 1965 traded as British Rail, was a state-owned company that operated most of the overground rail transport in Great Britain from 1948 to 1997. Finsbury Park. I really quite like that now. [11][12], The location for GBR's headquarters is currently being determined. The Great British Railways Transition Team (GBRTT) seeks to deliver the most ambitious changes to our railways in a generation, working with the government and across the rail sector. Class 14s D9537 (in desert sand livery) and D9539 prepare a double-head a train on the Ribble Steam Railway. On the face of it, this is primarily a reorganisation of the franchise system in England control over passenger franchises in Scotland and Wales is, alas, devolved. https://twitter.com/MrTimDunn/status/912009372292780033. Different NSE style local/commuter networks round the country. The x-height of the lower-case lettering should be equal to the height of the horizontal arms in the symbol, so that the row of text appears to align with them. for some form of co-branding. I can sort of understand lumping Moorgate services in with London Overground, but LNER to Kings Lynn has been suggested many times without any compelling reason as to why, beyond "something something intercity standard", This idea often seems to pop its head up. The Tories, particulary this present mob of throwbacks, have long since co-opted the "great" in "Great Britain" to mean "very good"and it's xenophobic, imperialist undertones me me want to vomit. It was formed from the nationalisation of the Big Four British railway companies, and was privatised in stages between 1994 and 1997. particularly associated with the depots at Old Oak Common and [7]. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. It's the name of the island ffs. BR's first standard locomotive liveries, adopted from 1949 onwards. "Great" means "large", not "very good". I imagine the LNER and GWR branding will be around the longest, as its allready kind of govt created and most in line with DfT standards. If they are going down the GBR route, which is just nationalisation with extra steps, it needs to look the part (the national part, not the extra steps part). Our railways play a fundamental role in supporting the economic, environmental and social achievements of the country. Existing leases of stations to devolved transport authorities will continue. I could see those different types of logos being used across scenarios. The new livery was used with the introduction of the Hastings Line electrification in 1986 to promote new electric trains on that line. Wrap yourself up in the flag and sing rule Brittania. That's what happens when small-minded people look back on a classic that was before their time with a warped sense of populism. I just see the thing as extremely surface level. Oct 22, 2021 All that remains, is to remember the man who made the Journey possible; the greatest engineer of all time and the architect who built modern Britain - Isambard Kingdom Brunel. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; Im unsure about the livery as such, but if Great British Railways is taken forward, Id expect GBR to feature. I wonder if you could make a hybrid of the two? I think it'll be more like East Coast (or whatever), the full height of the parallel tracks. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Not even all yellow fronted anymore. Someone will design a great livery in the future and someone else will design a crap livery. Thus Class 47 47170 County of Norfolk, allocated to Stratford and a regular performer on trains between Liverpool Street and Norwich, was painted in Large Logo livery. JavaScript is disabled. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. But theres no particular reason this should be. The white paper does not specify whether the branding of devolved railways such as London Overground and Merseyrail will be affected.[7]. into flashy advertising campaigns, the appearance of the showrooms (and their digital counterpart, the website), and the styling of their vehicles? Why not capitalize on it? This page was last edited on 28 January 2023, at 18:28. Its rolling stock initially carried the standard Rail Blue (or blue and grey) livery but in 1992, it introduced a new livery of red and grey, with pale blue and grey flashes. 3 Apr 2022 . [13] Initially new locos were still painted in the traditional Rail Blue livery, but starting with Class 56 number 56084 the new Large Logo version was standard on new locos delivered to BR. Now the charge of English nationalism is a tedious, largely Remainer trope that I have dealt with elsewhere. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Eastfield TMD staff near Glasgow also embellished a few examples of the class 37/0's allocated to the depot with a lower bodyside white stripe in the mid-80s but were told to stop doing it and repaint the ones they'd already done back to the standard blue livery by the BR hierarchy. One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. It may not display this or other websites correctly. GBR is not quite the same, so they no doubt want it to be seen as distinct; plus, it may not even be possible to call it BR, there might be legal implications (just a guess). The 1948 trials brought LMS Class 5s, and GWR Kings and Castles in lined light green and lined blue, with incorrect suggestions that two different blues were used. The bottom one is basically Serco era Northern signage, and does look good to me, though I would go for a subtle double arrow in the bottom right as I said earlier, and omit the GBR text. The system just looks like a disparate random mish mash of different organisations each running trains in their own way. More middle days; they were improving quite a bit in the 1990s. Despite the InterCity brand having been introduced in 1966, in 1985 the word 'Executive' was dropped and the livery was applied to all coaches and many locomotives used on InterCity services. The FT reports: The reforms will still allow private companies to run services but they will instead work under a more prescriptive management contract, similar to the system in place on the London Overground.. Something timeless. Home Forums It would appear that were going to be waiting a while even for the new logo, and that given the recent nature of the franchise liveries, that new liveries are a very long way off. for some form of co-branding. At the moment, the TOC mostly differentiates this. True. This included many of the features which were later incorporated in the Mark 2, and trialled in an experimental train designated XP64. The Great British Railway - and please, spare us the flag-waving - will incorporate Network Rail (renationalised in 2002 after privatised Railtrack collapsed), ticketing and awarding operator . In many ways having a 'Railway System' logo (the double arrow) for stations/journey planners but a different logo so people know the train is a 'big' intercity train or a 'small' stopping train is very helpful. If they're bothered about 'red white and blue" then just stick the double arrow in a white background and give it a blue border. [6], The Vale of Rheidol Railway remained steam operated past the general end of steam traction in 1968; Accordingly the three remaining Vale of Rheidol Railway steam locomotives (Class 98) received the Rail Blue colour scheme and the double arrow logo on their side tanks. 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With the reorganisation of British Railways in the mid-1960s, a complete break with the past was signalled by the introduction of a blue and grey livery which dominated all passenger rolling stock until the mid-1980s, when a new Intercity livery (dark grey and beige with a red and white waistband) was introduced along with a number of regional colour schemes. Coaches from different regions could also often find themselves coupled together and trains of 2 or 3 mixed liveries were not uncommon. The BR Saint & TPO Livery Pack adds additional liveries to the GWR Saint & TPO add-on, enabling you to recreate realistic travelling post office operations in the British Railway era. Find out more Contact us Freedom of Information Jobs at GBRTT Media Sign up for GBRTT News Privacy and GDPR Terms and conditions JavaScript is disabled. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? Railfreight livery, a colour scheme specifically for freight locomotives, was unveiled when Class 58 58001 drove through a plastic screen at Doncaster Works on 9 December 1982. Unfortunately, there is little sign that Beattie actually intends to do anything differently, in this regard at least, to the Democratic Unionists he hopes to supplant. It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: . This was later modified for locomotives allocated to the Civil Engineer's department to include a yellow stripe on the upper bodyside, the resulting livery being known as "Dutch" due to its similarity to the corporate colours of the Nederlandse Spoorwegen.[18]. Great Western Railways/British Railway Western Region. English regions, Scotland, and Wales will have their own variants, but these will still emphasise the national nature of GBR. It does affect other devolved rail operators, including ScotRail, Transport for Wales, London Overground, Elizabeth line (Crossrail), and Merseyrail, as well as the combined authorities that oversee other local railway networks in England. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . Not so much the modern LNER though. Variants where the band was blue (outer suburban) or green (inner suburban) instead of orange were planned, but never implemented.[15]. Great Central Railway {} Sample: 002366: Great Eastern Railway {} Sample: 00a550: Great Northern Railway (Great Britain) {{GNGE colour}} Sample: 00645b: Great Northern and Great Eastern Joint Railway {{GWGC colour}} Sample: 47640f: Great Western and Great Central Joint Railway {} Sample: 964b00: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway | Page 27 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. There was a return of some regional schemes: the Western Region turned out some Mk1 sets for named expresses in chocolate/cream, similar to that used by the GWR before nationalisation. I would say GWR (single colour) is a far better branding package than Avanti (3 colours). Here is some variants of my original 'swallow inspired' design. I'm inclined to disagree. I think you are mixing up ownership with some form of ideological uniformity. No complaints really over the Rail Alphabet, I even like seeing it on old BR signage that still exists here and there. The double arrow is still overused, though. In 1956 an all-over darker maroon, which more closely resembled the pre-nationalisation LMS livery, was re-introduced, except for the Southern Region, where locomotive-hauled stock was generally painted 'coaching stock' green (from July 1956-on) and a small number of express carriages on the Western Region which were in traditional GWR-style chocolate and cream. What is wrong with different routes and regions having different liveries? A number of sets of coaching stock and a handful of locomotives received the livery, as well as most new multiple units and some existing ones. Also, yes, the actual report has a typo, it really does say 'refect' instead of 'reflect'. The first Class 31 entered service in November . I quite like that version; I think I might like it even more if the black and the red were blue instead though. Clearly "Great British Railways" does include a bit of "retro" in the manner than gWr does, for example. This livery was well received by enthusiasts but as the Class 56s only hauled freight, it was decided to extend the experiment to a passenger loco. Consisting of three shades of grey and thus known as "triple grey Railfreight", the livery included logos on the sides and cabs of locomotives indicating which sector they belonged to. Its not as if they need the advertising, nor do their brands carry the historic and emotional heft that the famous schemes of the genuinely private railways did. He branded the Prime Minister an English nationalist, who was prepared to ignore Northern Ireland as the Conservatives have no electoral stake in the Province. [16] As well as rolling stock and multiple units, a number of Class 47 and Class 50 locomotives dedicated to Network SouthEast passenger services were painted in this livery. What possible negatives are there to none enthusiasts? Cross Country merged with EMT to form a brand called Midland Connect. The livery comprised brown upper panels with a colour described variously as "biscuit" or "fawn" along the lower panels and separated by a broad orange band. But thats the insidious appeal of nationalism: it willalwaysbe easier, in the short term, to spurn complicating national attachments in favour of tacking to local winds and making off with as much cash as you can lay your hands on. Why does it need to look the part - what does nationalisation look like? Japan had JNR (Japan National Railways) and now, post nationalisation, it has JR (Japan Railways). A corporate livery was created for major express services in Scotland, which effectively consisted of the InterCity livery with the red stripe replaced by a light blue one. It's not going to be called Rail England and if it was, there'd be nothing "Queen Nicola" could do about it. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. It's already been seen with the government controlled LNER and GWR franchises for example. It'll be operated quite differently. From 1974, some DMU sets, after being refurbished, were painted white with a wide blue band under the windows and full yellow ends. Can you only be professional if every rail person works in the same uniform? I don't think there would ever be multiple logos for Great British Railways as you've alluded to - it would make it complicated for the end passenger. Rail Express Systems was the sector of British Rail responsible for transport of mail and parcels traffic. [14] After this date, the passenger versions of Class 37 and 47, as well as Class 50, were routinely outshopped in this livery. I do also like the theory that these regions they mention will be named after old railway companies. You are using an out of date browser. Read more about them in our, National HQ competition for Great British Railways. The train is operated by the Steam Dreams Rail Co. Mayflower built in 1948, is one of two surviving B1 Class locomotives and painted in distinctive British Railways apple green livery. Historic fact is that Roman Britain was England & Wales and the name Great Britain was adopted once Scotland joined, even though today we may refer of GB as just Britain. I have heard that the BR double arrows will remain in use due to the fact that in the UK everyone recognises it as the 'train station' symbol. Something will need to be kept open for Open Access Operators to be distinguished. Not everyone has a smartphone and when the PIS is not working, I find it good to know where we've stopped. 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